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Post by seffy on Jul 8, 2006 14:27:42 GMT -5
Are the American forests the home of the mysterious Bigfoot? Are the Hymalayan mountains the home of the mysterious Abominable Snowman? Might these two creatures be related in some way? And what about the mysterious monster from the deep, The Kraken? Real or the product of over-active imaginations.
Discuss.
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Post by 2bfoundwanting on Jul 8, 2006 14:30:29 GMT -5
I personally think it is the product of an overactive imagination. I think that there was a huuge animal of some sort, like a really big bear walking on its hind legs or something, seen from far away and someone got scared and ran home to tell everyone about it and then the story just snowballed and got bigger and bigger, yah know?
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Post by Tyual on Jul 8, 2006 15:46:41 GMT -5
I think people are too tired, delerious, and with an over active imagination came up with these things. I think that I'll blame it more on being too tired and delerious more than the imagination. Just seeing things that aren't real.
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Post by Major Gmed on Jul 10, 2006 3:12:41 GMT -5
As a scientist I'm supposed to say definately not, no such thing as monsters. However, to be quite honest, yes I really do believe that these things exist.
The Bigfoot and Yeti are probably the harder to imagine as being real, but I think that it is possible for these creatures to exist close to humans without being seen as survival instinct would insure that they protected themselves from outsiders. As to what they actually are, well the most logical explanation is that they are in fact of human origin but due to some occurence broke off into a different evolutionary path than the rest of us. This would account for the fur, and the larger claw hands and feet, but would still keep the upright gait, and the human facial structure.
As for the Kraken, that we know does to an extent exist. It has been hypotheisized that it is infact a Giant Squid which is aggressive enough to attack ships. From some recent tentacles that have been caught in fishing nets, it appears that these creatures are growing much larger than was ever thought possible. The ocean is a vast area, and it is easy for them to go unnoticed most of the time, but the fact that even now they are attacking ships means that we must take the threat of these creatures seriously.
Even now in 2006 we are finding new spiecies of animal, fish, birds, plants that we never knew existed, and new tribes of warriors are being found in deep rainforest that people only recently believed were uninhabitable. So we should not discount any of these stories are fiction in the light of recent discoveries.
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Post by Tyual on Jul 10, 2006 3:26:52 GMT -5
It's surely possible that they exist, but do I think they exist as the popular myths? Nah.
So although something similar to the Yeti or Bigfoot may exist, I somehow doubt that it was infact as the people described it. Why? If they did see it they would probably go into some kind of hysteria or over-excited hysteria and be fooled by their senses and not accurately recount what they did see. As for it being an alternately evolved human, I doubt it because I don't believe in species-to-species evolution (such as ape to man, fish to bird and so on). However, the possibility of it being evolved from something such as a bear maybe, isn't so far out. A bear that is stronger, faster, and can walk on two legs, that's not that far out. It's gained a better use of the forepaws as hands as well. So yeah, I could see that as a possibility maybe. I mean evolution to a degree is proven. Look at early versions of man versus that of today. Man has evolved over time. I don't see why other species wouldn't do the same.
The Kraken, it's possible. However, I must say that I would think it more likely to be an undiscovered species of animal that is very large as opposed to the horrific creature of the sea idea that is presented. As for why it attacks ships, I'm taking a jab and saying those ships are probably in its territory and it isn't too happy about it. Not that I can blame it. I don't want strangers just waltzing through my home either! Again, I'll say it's probably the result of inner-species evolution. ...or in this case, the primitive case that hasn't evolved yet. Thus, it would also explain the rare occurance of the Kraken. They are rare, near extinct as for the primitive state, and exist in it's more evolved state (the smaller squids we know maybe?)
That's just some possible things I can think of at 4:30 am, provided they do even possibly exist.
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Post by Major Gmed on Jul 10, 2006 13:20:37 GMT -5
Ah I love a good debate, and am thankful for my background in Biology as this helps me understand these things, and therefore Tyual I kinda have to disagree with you on a few things.
I never suggested species-to-species evolution (which has been proved), I was suggesting that when man started to evolve from Cro-Magnon to Neanderthal to Homo sapien to Homo erectus to Homo habilis (as we are today) that some sort of geographical, environmental barrier or genetic mutation caused a need for these species to develop differently from the main population. This has been apparent with the Galapagos finches that Darwin proved showed adaptive radiation, and also with the Sorbus species of plant which has developed endemically in Scotland through speciation. Never rule out any possibility of new humanoid species as species are highly adaptable to ensure survival of the fittest.
Recent oceanic studies have proved the Kraken would appear to be a Giant Squid that are now believed to be capable of proportions of a mile and half in size which corresponds to the original sightings of the Kraken. Giant squid are aggressive by nature, and this would definitely correspond with the stories of the attacked ships, which still continue today. Therefore, most marine biologists and scientists now agree that the Kraken and the Giant squid are one of the same.
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Post by Tyual on Jul 11, 2006 2:40:49 GMT -5
"I never suggested species-to-species evolution (which has been proved), I was suggesting that when man started to evolve from Cro-Magnon to Neanderthal to Homo sapien to Homo erectus to Homo habilis (as we are today) that some sort of geographical, environmental barrier or genetic mutation caused a need for these species to develop differently from the main population."
I want to see your species-to-species proof, G. And also, that is possible to believe then, if something cut it off, it is still a humanoid species, but due to different environmental things it evolved differently. That doesn't contrast with a possibility of what I said as far as I know. I was just misunderstanding you to say that when monkeys went to man, they also branched off into something else....as I said, I don't believe in the whole monkey-to-man thing (I refered to it as species-to-species. And this does have to do with my religious beliefs partially.)
Okay, so the second part about the Kraken, you in no way disagree. As to my experience, the Kraken has been portrayed as this grusome creature, not a squid. Like some kind of mutated wanna be water-living Godzilla or something. And that's what I'm saying I disbelieved in. Not that it was a squid. Rather I was trying to say I find it more likely that it would be a large squid than the way I have seen it commonly presented.
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Post by Major Gmed on Jul 11, 2006 11:18:02 GMT -5
I want to see your species-to-species proof, G.....as I said, I don't believe in the whole monkey-to-man thing (I refered to it as species-to-species. And this does have to do with my religious beliefs partially.) Well I don't personally have the proof, but it is widely available in any Biology textbook that covers that area, and also in any Natural History Museums. They have irrefutable proof of this, however, if your beliefs in Creationism are strong, then no amount of this evidence will change that, and I wouldn't get into that debate here as this isn't the appropriate thread for that. |
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Post by Tyual on Jul 11, 2006 13:54:55 GMT -5
My biology textbook sucked then, because it had nothing as far as solid proof. It had similarites in species that it claimed were due as a result, but it showed no hard evidence...
Then again I do go to school in Arkansas....
I've never been to a natural history museum. I think wold be intersting though.
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Post by seffy on Jul 11, 2006 18:09:38 GMT -5
Life is tenacious. Amphibians who's community has veered towards a single sex enviroment have been seen to change gender, this is documented evidance. Life on this planet has survived, I believe, six mass extinction events by adapting to it's new enviroment and thriving. Who's to say that that Bigfoot or The Yeti or any of the other mysterious beast cases from around the world aren't a species, possibly an ancestral species of Man, that has survived to this day by doing just that, adapting to it's enviroment.
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Post by wiilyr on Jul 29, 2006 1:56:32 GMT -5
I'm not a believer in the whole bigfoot/yeti idea, I must admit. I believe it to be a bunch of bullhonkery created by somone who was bored and had nothing better to do with his/her time. Kraken, though, yeah, I'll believe that one to some extent. The whole giant squid idea is very plausable, so I have no problem with that.
G, I can see how your Yeti/Bigfoot could work, but I just don't think it's possible. Seems too isolated an occurance, especially since there aren't overly large numbers of them.
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